[Shadow Jacky]

holy crap I didn't even realize I typed Dimension...thing is, I haven't touched Riders in a while, but I grabbed some of the music from it too...maybe that was it as I was listening to it :/

HEROES:

Sonic/Dark:  Bonus Stage 1: 67540
                :  Emerald Stage 1: 40370

                : Bonus Stage 2: 50970


also, I think the only good link stage is Bonus 4 or 5...one of them.

[yse]

A few comments:

1. Mean Bean should not even be considered - same reason we don't track Sonic Spinball, infinite score possibility (and I recall SBW and yoshifan saying even the highest speed wasn't particularly difficult).

2. Okay, if it's confirmed that all teams are different on SH special stages, I'll accept that. So here's my new idea on the way it should be ranked:

Bonus Challenge 1 [Sonic / Dark / Rose / Chaotix / Link (any team]
etc.

Note also that links would have to be stored separately, so the header would become:

Times | Extra | Bosses | Rings | Scores | Special | Links | Overall

3. I'm totally in support of SAdva3 rings division, with the 10 minute rule in force.

[Taillow]

I still say if rings are added in Sonic Advance 3, add Special Stage rings to the list.  Also, maybe a few other special stages.  Like Advance 2.

[yse]

I still say if rings are added in Sonic Advance 3, add Special Stage rings to the list.  Also, maybe a few other special stages.  Like Advance 2.

Er, yeah, I forgot that one. Add that too.

(Just add SS1-7 to the existing lists - also note for ease of play that the Special Stage playthrough code is ^ R v L > <)

[Groudon]

Just pointing out something about Shadow.

Even though I highly doubt any level under normal rules can get this, if you somehow get over 999 rings in a level, when you collect another ring, your ring count resets.  I found this out when playing Circus Park on Expert Mode last night.

[KnucklesSonic8]

2. Uh... I don't know. Can I give half-support? If not, I guess this shouldn't count as support.
I've already said that I'm more interested in playing the existing games than adding new ones (in most cases).

Well, I can put you down for support for anything if you plan on submitting stats for the game if it comes onto the site later on.

A few comments:

1. Mean Bean should not even be considered - same reason we don't track Sonic Spinball, infinite score possibility (and I recall SBW and yoshifan saying even the highest speed wasn't particularly difficult).

2. Okay, if it's confirmed that all teams are different on SH special stages, I'll accept that. So here's my new idea on the way it should be ranked:

Bonus Challenge 1 [Sonic / Dark / Rose / Chaotix / Link (any team]
etc.

Note also that links would have to be stored separately, so the header would become:

Times | Extra | Bosses | Rings | Scores | Special | Links | Overall

3. I'm totally in support of SAdva3 rings division, with the 10 minute rule in force.

1. Funny you should mention that cause I thought of the same thing when I wasn't online yesterday. I don't know guys, the proposal for Mean Bean may not last since people are already presenting good points as to why it shouldn't be added.

2. We've decided to combine Sonic and Dark together into one since there is, basically, little, if not, no difference between the two teams. So there's S/D, Rose, and Chaotix.

Regarding the Links thing, you think Rolken will go for that? Wait..I just had an idea..
Since we're doing Most Emblems for Shuffle, why don't we make the header applicable to both games so that Links doesn't apply just to Heroes... What would we call it though?

3. Never thought of that rule. Thanks. I'll keep a note of it on my PC [too lazy to find the old post]. Thanks for the support, also. I'll put you down.

EDIT:

Okay, I figured out that problem I had with the Bonus Stages on Advance 3. There is, unless I'm mistaken, two per lzone and ONE "Defeat All Enemies" game out of the two.

I got scores already and I will make the chart soon for anyone interested:
(Remember: It's the time you finish the game with.)

Zone 3: Ocean Base - 07"33
Edit: New Time - 12"13

Chart will be made soon...

I still say if rings are added in Sonic Advance 3, add Special Stage rings to the list.  Also, maybe a few other special stages.  Like Advance 2.

Er, yeah, I forgot that one. Add that too.

(Just add SS1-7 to the existing lists - also note for ease of play that the Special Stage playthrough code is ^ R v L > <)

How sad, I didn't even know there was a Special Stage! I haven't even passed Zone 3 yet so maybe that's why?

Can you gimme a list of all categories we'd have, either one of you? Thanks.

EDIT: Chart is up on the page with all the other charts (With the 10.. or is it 15? Posts per page Setting, they're on Page 10)

EDIT:

Even though I highly doubt any level under normal rules can get this, if you somehow get over 999 rings in a level, when you collect another ring, your ring count resets.  I found this out when playing Circus Park on Expert Mode last night.

So, should there be a rule addressing this?
EDIT: That leads me to my next question, should we do seperate RA Categories for Expert Mode as well?

[KnucklesSonic8]

holy crap I didn't even realize I typed Dimension...thing is, I haven't touched Riders in a while, but I grabbed some of the music from it too...maybe that was it as I was listening to it :/

HEROES:

Sonic/Dark:  Bonus Stage 1: 67540
                :  Emerald Stage 1: 40370

                : Bonus Stage 2: 50970


also, I think the only good link stage is Bonus 4 or 5...one of them.

Added.
Oh, and I think I found the same to be true also but I think there may have been another one but I can't remember..

EDIT: That reminds me, did you read my post on Pending Issues for Sonic Heroes [preceeding page on my post/page setting]? It should interest you.

Shuffle:
1. Stage Divisions are still unresolved. Are we keeping them per character [Sonic, Tails..] or per mode [Story/Versus]?
2. What's the final verdict on the following mini-games: Egg in Space [Time]; Number Jump [Time]?
3. I've got an idea for a Freestyle Competition which was on account of some were sugggesting we do competitions with CPUS on Hard and some on Easy. Which one would you rather do [and why] of the following:

Idea 1: Computers can be on Easy Mode; Idea 2: Computers can be on Hard Mode?

1. Hax at you for wanting the stages in there. HAX!
2. I guess we can put Egg in Space in there. Everyone would get the same time, but we're used to this. I need to check Number Jump.
3. Aren't CPUs on normal by default? That's what we should use in that case (like for the SAdva games). No need to duplicate every stage into duplicate entries, even if freestyle, this game simply doesn't need it.

-- Yep, fine. Egg in Space. Got it.
-- Yeah they are, it's just that some suggested we use CPU's on Easy or Hard and I also disagreed since Normal was default that's why I formulated the Freestyle Proposal. But, maybe you're right about not needing the Freestyle. Any other opinions?

[Groudon]

should we do seperate RA Categories for Expert Mode as well?

I'm gonna check every level then.  If we do, then Circus Park cannot be included, since the ring count can go up and up and up until the counter resets to 0.

[KnucklesSonic8]

should we do seperate RA Categories for Expert Mode as well?

I'm gonna check every level then.  If we do, then Circus Park cannot be included, since the ring count can go up and up and up until the counter resets to 0.

Okay. Appreciate that. Thanks.
So, if we do, we could put them under the "Extra" Header found on the Submissions Page.

[Bilan]

No need.

it'd just be a case of

Westopolis:      Normal
                       Expert
Digitcal Circuit: Normal
                       Expert

etc

EDIT: But not quite so mangled.

[KnucklesSonic8]

No need.

it'd just be a case of

Westopolis:      Normal
                       Expert
Digital Circuit: Normal
                       Expert

etc

EDIT: But not quite so mangled.

Yeah, I was gonna suggest either one. Thanks.

EDIT: Should I add this to my chart?

[Groudon]

Hmm... Yeah, that sounds good.

edit: 1st level confirmed

Westopolis

I got 204 in Expert mode.  244 in regular RA.

edit:  now 247.  Missed one in the opening fall.  Will re-do.

edit:  Maxed out at 248.

[KnucklesSonic8]

Hmm... Yeah, that sounds good.

edit: 1st level confirmed

Westopolis

I got 204 in Expert mode.  244 in regular RA.

edit:  now 247.  Missed one in the opening fall.  Will re-do.

edit:  Maxed out at 248.

Will add shortly, before I log off.

EDIT:

We're on a roll with our new topic and I've been meaning to do this for quite some time and I feel now's the best time to propose the following new categories for... Sonic Riders!

I'm thinking of, first, implementing submissions for the Mission Mode. I was thinking of having such categories as:

Storm's Missions

Metal City:
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]
5 [Time]
Splash Canyon:
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]
5 [Time]
Egg Factory:
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]
5 [Time]
Green Cave:
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]
Sand Ruins:
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]
5 [Time]
Babylon Garden:
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]
Digital Dimension:
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]
5 [Time]
Sega Carnival:
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]

Wave's Missions

Night Chase:
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]
5 [Time]
Red Canyon:
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]
5 [Points/Air]
Ice Factory:
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]
5 [Rings]
White Cave
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]
5 [Points/Attacks]
Dark Desert
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]
5 [Rings]
Sky Road
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]
5 [Points/Tricks]
Babylon Guardian
3 [Points/Tricks]
5 [Points/Air]
Sega Illusion
1 [Points/Tricks]
3 [Time]
5 [Points/Attacks]

Jet's Missions

Extra 1
1 [Time]
2 [Points/Air]
3 [Rings]
4 [Points/Attacks]
Extra 2
1 [Rings]
2 [Time]
3 [Points/Air]
4 [Points/Attacks]
5 [Time]
Extra 3
1 [Time]
3 [Time]
Extra 4
1 [Time]
3 [Time]
5 [Time]

How we'd word this properly, I don't know but I have scores I can submit for ALL of them so you know what kind each of them are (e.g., Collect Rings, Perform Tricks, etc.)

I also thought of implementing Ring Divisions for all the stages as well.

Conditions would be: All settings on defaults except ITEM which would be OFF. If Item Boxes were on it would be way too easy. That's why I think that would be the best.

Also, I replayed almost all levels and it seems like (a) Metal City would be kinda easy, but, then again, we have all these freebies already in the topic and on the site already, (b) Sega Carnival probably shouldn't be included since it, also, would be too easy because of the "Goal Gate" in the Super Monkey Ball area, and, (c) Babylon Guardian won't be included since.. there are no rings on that track! All others are fine - e.g, Green Cave would be great since it's practically impossible to get Perfect without the Item Boxes.

Records for Ring Divisions include:
Splash - 90
Egg - 70
Carnival - 100 [Like I said, too easy]
Night - 100 [Not sure...]
Red - 83
Sand - 85
Metal - 100
Digital - 66
Dark - 67
Babylon Garden - 53
Green - 44
White - 60
Illusion - 71 [Kinda hard to get perfect but I don't think it's impossible.]

Another proposal would be for Survival Race. All settings on default: Time Limit = 15 Minutes - should we stick with that?, Points = 5, Items = ON

Some of my records are:
Metal City - 13'25"75
Egg Factory - 13'32"02
Ice Factory - 13'14"37
Sega Carnival - 12'25"57

Tag Mode is another proposal I think would work really well! Defaults again - Total Laps would be 3, Air Pit would be ON. Should we have SINGLE LAP sub-divisions Versus Triple Lap? Or, just the Triple Lap.?

I have one record on Splash Canyon - 2'41"50, and one on Egg Factory - 3'08"58.
I may make charts before I log off. I'm not 100% sure. If I do, I'll add them in a new post.

Survival Battle is my final proposal. Defaults are: Time Limit = 15 and Items = ON.

Records:
Dual Towers -12'10"54
Snow Valley - 12'29"24

As for Space Theater, I don't think it would be included unless somen else has an idea as to why it should be included. Personally, I don't think it would be a "fair" competition considering that you can only get dsamaged by the fences and the CPU's are pretty good here and i takes forever for them to die and/or fall off and if they do, it's like by chance.

Feedback? I hope not all my ideas will be rejected. I'm hoping mostly for Survival Race, Missions and Tag. Survival Battle would be extra, I guess. Anyone just try them out and see how it goes before you go and start rejecting. :)

As for dividing them up in the headers, I'm still thinking but so far, I think:

Tag Mode - Times or Races?
Missions - Times? Score, Extra?
Survival Race - Times?
Survival Battle - Times?

Sorry for the long post but that's how it is. Hope my ideas are liked. :P

[Groudon]

How about, for now, we add each level except Circus Park for Expert mode for RAing?

[KnucklesSonic8]

How about, for now, we add each level except Circus Park for Expert mode for RAing?

I'll try but I don't know if I'll be able to before I go cause I have to leave soon. But I added your 248.

[Bilan]

The new Riders suggestions have intrigued me </contribution>

[Groudon]

How about, for now, we add each level except Circus Park for Expert mode for RAing?

I'll try but I don't know if I'll be able to before I go cause I have to leave soon. But I added your 248.

You added my 248 to SJ.

[Shadow Jacky]

why is expert mode being considered?

in that case, why not do Super Hard Mode from SH into heroes categories as well?  either modes have no level select.

also, I dont know about Riders missions being added.  The points and tricks and be capped at a point, but time is a different story.

[Groudon]

why is expert mode being considered?

A few posts back, I pointed out a thing about the ring counter in Shadow.  If somehow you get 999 rings on a level, the ring counter will reset when you get another ring, and I said I found it out while goofing off in Circus Park in Expert Mode.

[PsyBorg]

I would also be in support of Mission Mode competition for Riders.

Of course, I'd rather wait until the real TSC boards are up.

[eggFL]

As the current Riders champion I have something to say about this. 8| 8| 8| 8|

Stunt missions seem like it would be awkward competition. I mean, there is a max on each jump, so it's easy to max and have a lot of pointless tie records.

The only exception is halfpipes, but that would involve turning around and using them and doing that until you are running out of time and have to finish the course. But then you might as well have grind missions and flight-ring missions since abusing them entails the same strategy. And in both cases, it will be easy to max and tie since the clock is limiting everyone.

No missions involving the Air Tank. Those are easily maxed. For instance I get like 196 or whatever in the last one, which involves me going in a straight line right after the last air refill and toward the goal. So how do you do better than that? o_o Where's the competiton there?

I was almost gonna say that only time missions would work, but I forgot about ring missions -- those sound great. Also, the attack missions seem perfectly fine as far as I can tell.

[Shadow Jacky]

why is expert mode being considered?

A few posts back, I pointed out a thing about the ring counter in Shadow.  If somehow you get 999 rings on a level, the ring counter will reset when you get another ring, and I said I found it out while goofing off in Circus Park in Expert Mode.

yeah I know, but what made you go into Expert mode and try it there if its not even thrown out there to begin with?  I'm not saying its a bad move, but all of a sudden trying out Expert mode which we all know is different from Normal (no missions what so ever).  I'm saying, should this mode even be counted with anything...and if so, why wasn't this done in other game as well?

[Groudon]

I was just goofing off in Circus Park when I found out about the wacky ring counter.  I never mentioned anything else about Expert Mode.

[KnucklesSonic8]

You added my 248 to SJ.

Edited. Sorry.

in that case, why not do Super Hard Mode from SH into heroes categories as well?  either modes have no level select.

Probably because there's no final score to display, but that's just what I think.

EDIT:

I added the following to the Sonic Riders Support List:

knuckles_sonic8
eggFL
Shadow Jacky
RPGnutter
PsyBorg

Anyone else?

EDIT:

Here's the Sonic Riders chart, thus far. I'm still debating about Missions. As it stands, though, the missions involving Tricks may OR may not be included; missions involving Times WILL be included [but under Extra or Time, I'm not sure...]; missions involving Air may OR may not be included; missions involving Attacks, again, may OR may not be included. It's still rather debateful. But otherwise, I have charts in place for the regular Ring Divisions for the Normal Stages in Free Race as well as the Stages in Tag Mode. I'll get to work on Battle and Race [which would both, also, go under Time].

Also, a Total for the Time Division is still debateful as well.

EDIT: Chart has been updated.

Sonic Riders

	knuckles_sonic8	eggFL	RPGnutter	???	???	???
Times
Metal City, Tag	2'30"90	0	0	0	0	0
Night Chase, Tag	2'31"51	0	0	0	0	0
Splash Canyon, Tag	2'36"61	0	0	0	0	0
Red Canyon, Tag	3'03"66	0	0	0	0	0
Egg Factory, Tag	3'03"53	0	0	0	0	0
Ice Factory, Tag	3'15"50	0	0	0	0	0
Green Cave, Tag	3'08"96	0	0	0	0	0
White Cave, Tag	2'41"76	0	0	0	0	0
Sand Ruins, Tag	3'04"30	0	0	0	0	0
Dark Desert, Tag	2'56"50	0	0	0	0	0
Babylon Garden, Tag	3'26"38	0	0	0	0	0
Sky Road, Tag	2'57"03	0	0	0	0	0
Digital Dimension, Tag	3'01"56	0	0	0	0	0
Babylon Guardian, Tag	1'45"80	0	0	0	0	0
SEGA Carnival, Tag	3'19"75	0	0	0	0	0
SEGA Illusion, Tag	3'20"18	0	0	0	0	0
Metal City, Survival Race	14'05"62	0	0	0	0	0
Night Chase, Survival Race	13'35"42	0	0	0	0	0
Splash Canyon, Survival Race	14'11"04	0	0	0	0	0
Red Canyon, Survival Race	14'03"60	0	0	0	0	0
Egg Factory, Survival Race	14'00"79	0	0	0	0	0
Ice Factory, Survival Race	13'43"74	0	0	0	0	0
Green Cave, Survival Race	13'51"42	0	0	0	0	0
White Cave, Survival Race	13'46"39	0	0	0	0	0
Sand Ruins, Survival Race	13'34"52	0	0	0	0	0
Dark Desert, Survival Race	13'58"64	0	0	0	0	0
Babylon Garden, Survival Race	13'39"50	0	0	0	0	0
Sky Road, Survival Race	13'34"80	0	0	0	0	0
Digital Dimension, Survival Race	13'23"84	0	0	0	0	0
Babylon Guardian, Survival Race	13'39"30	0	0	0	0	0
SEGA Carnival, Survival Race	13'57"30	0	0	0	0	0
SEGA Illusion, Survival Race	13'50"24	0	0	0	0	0
Dual Towers, Survival Battle	13'58"62	0	0	0	0	0
Snow Valley, Survival Battle	14'02"04	0	0	0	0	0
Space Theater, Survival Battle	13'57"32	0	0	0	0	0

	knuckles_sonic8	eggFL	RPGnutter	???	???	???
Extra
Metal City, Mission 3	0'46"45	0	0	0	0	0
Metal City, Mission 5	0'11"46	0	0	0	0	0
Splash Canyon, Mission 3	0'47"18	0	0	0	0	0
Egg Factory, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
Egg Factory, Mission 5	0	0	0	0	0	0
Green Cave, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
Sand Ruins, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
Sand Ruins, Mission 5	0	0	0	0	0	0
Babylon Garden, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
Digital Dimension, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
Digital Dimension, Mission 5	0	0	0	0	0	0
SEGA Carnival, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
Night Chase, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
Night Chase, Mission 5	0	0	0	0	0	0
Red Canyon, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
Ice Factory, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
Ice Factory, Mission 5	0	0	0	0	0	0
White Cave, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
White Cave, Mission 5	0	0	0	0	0	0
Dark Desert, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
Dark Desert, Mission 5	0	0	0	0	0	0
Sky Road, Mission 1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Sky Road, Mission 5	0	0	0	0	0	0
Babylon Guardian, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
SEGA Carnival, Mission 1	0	0	0	0	0	0
SEGA Carnival, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
SEGA Illusion, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
SEGA Illusion, Mission 5	0	0	0	0	0	0
Extra 1, Mission 1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Extra 1, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
Extra 1, Mission 4	0	0	0	0	0	0
Extra 2, Mission 1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Extra 2, Mission 2	0	0	0	0	0	0
Extra 2, Mission 4	0	0	0	0	0	0
Extra 2, Mission 5	0	0	0	0	0	0
Extra 3, Mission 1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Extra 3, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
Extra 4, Mission 1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Extra 4, Mission 3	0	0	0	0	0	0
Extra 4, Mission 5	0	0	0	0	0	0

[Groudon]

And I improved my Prison Island ring score to 387.

[KnucklesSonic8]

And I improved my Prison Island ring score to 387.

Done. I have to go but next time I'm online, can you remind me to re-do your Total. I have to re-do it cause of the mix-up with SJ's and your ring score on Westopolis a while back.

In the meantime, everyone, I'll be setting time records on all the other courses so I can fill the charts.

While I'm gone, try seeing whether or not Total should be added to time and anyone else, please, offer your opinion on the inclusion of Trick, Air, Attack Missions and what header it shold be under. Thanks.

[Groudon]

Okay.  I got 216 on Air Fleet.

edit:  and 326 on Cosmic Fall.

edit:  also, 356 on The Doom.

edit:  224 on Final Haunt.

edit:  Improved Cryptic Castle to 433.

[magnum12]

The Doom: 316
Circus Park: 449
Lost Impact: 404
Central City: 223
Cosmic Fall: 330

[eggFL]

I totally forgot that you can't get more than 100 rings in Sonic Riders. x_x Maybe ring records aren't such agreat idea after all.

Why does the table say 'tag'? Why not just list the mission number?

[Bilan]

That just makes it fun.